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  1. At this stage of the project, the place should be crawling with workmen .. scores and scores and scores installing handrails, glazing and sliders, roughing-in the interior electrical and plumbing, plastering interior walls, starting tile work. There is easily enough work there for 100+ workmen .. this does not look to me like the project is really being worked on .. appears more of a cosmetic show of construction activity .. I guess this creates an impression on potential buyers.
  2. Hey, Blueydog .. hate to read of your dilemma. I could only speculate about why the developer is allowing buyers to move in without conveying their chanotes .. here is one guess .. the developer gets money from the buyers to allow them to occupy before making their final payment .. that is how it happened to my friend .. he thought what a nice developer, that my friend is allowed to occupy even though my friend had not paid the last 5%, and the silly chanote thing will be worked out soon .. the developer lured from my friend 95% of the purchase price on his condo .. the chanote on my friend's unit was transferred to the unpaid contractor .. gosh, some might consider that criminal fraud. Not sure what Tulip Group is doing, but that is how it has happened in other projects .. ask around .. how much have others occupying unowned condos paid Tulip Group? On why the long suspended condo across the street is now being worked on by the Nova Group and one of the development partners in your building .. who knows .. you've heard the old sayings about leopards being unable to change their spots, and birds of a feather, and all that. On the issue of the power .. I am unsure what arrangements my buddy made, but I know he has electricity .. I believe the applicant for an electric service is not required to show a chanote (at least to the Metropolitan Electric Authority in Bangkok) .. my daughter had her own electric service installed for a showroom she leases .. no chanote. Keep us posted, Blueydog .. and keep a wary eye out for Tulip Group's next project announcement. I suggested to you earlier .. check with the Land Department to see in whose name the title to your unit is registered,
  3. Here they come again, men. The current government has been positioning to control and monitor all Internet access and use in Thailand for the last couple of years .. by a vote of 144-1, the military-appointed National Reform Steering Assembly is now starting on mobile phone communications .. in these supposedly modern, enlightened times, this is really a remarkable digression to witness. Against an unrelenting incoming tide of human rights and freedoms throughout the world, the Thai government is convinced that this is the smart way to go for a brighter Thai future (".. of the few, by the few, for the few." -- apologies to Abraham Lincoln). This might be only a bit bothersome to some of you tourists (until you are being fingerprinted and photographed upon arrival and thereafter your every location and movement in Thailand is geo-located and tracked, and your every voice and digital communication recorded and stored) .. but, to those of us who have committed the rest of our lives, with children's futures at risk, it is deeply disturbing that the dinosaurs really intend to pull-off this revolting evolutionary reversion. Most on this forum have benefitted from history studies .. we needn't strain to understand the consequences of this .. those who live here know that history .. is not taught .. to Thai students. Thailand 4.0 !? .. oh, really !? .. are they kidding ?! How Thai civilians choose to respond to this will be very interesting test of their collective will, as a nation. Assembly backs tougher rules for online media Rights concerns over phone register plan 4 Jul 2017 Pol Maj Gen Pisit Pao-in, a veteran internet expert who now is a deputy chairman of the National Reform Steering Assembly, is handling issues of media reform, especially control of online content. (Bangkok Post file photo) The National Reform Steering Assembly (NRSA) has voted in favour of short and long-term recommendations for online media reform, including tighter regulations over content. The recommendations were contained in a report drawn up by its reform panel focusing on social media. The assembly members took to the floor Monday to debate the proposals put forth in the report which was eventually approved by a vote of 144-1. Pisit Pao-in, deputy chairman of the NRSA, said reform was needed as the mainstream media has presented news via online platforms in a sensationalist manner which has often led to criminal suspects being glorified. He said the report introduces short-term reform measures to be implemented in the next two years. One of them is stricter rules regarding the compulsory registration of mobile phones. The panel has recommended that owners of mobile phone numbers be required to have their fingerprints and faces scanned. The fingerprint and facial details will then be submitted along with other registration documentation. Also, the panel suggested that a centre be established to manage mobile phone ownership and also a user database to allow easy tracking by authorities in case of security violations. Content delivery networks and caching servers based in Thailand and operated by foreign-owned online media outlets are also required to be registered with the National Broadcasting and Telecommunication Commission (NBTC). Records of information exchanged online should be collected as they might come in handy in case they need to be examined by the NBTC or checked in criminal investigations, the panel says. An NBTC examination will be conducted through close coordination with the Ministry of Digital Economy. The report also says providers of foreign-based online services be taxed. A similar tax measure should also be imposed on online advertising and trade with the Revenue Department in charge of taxation, according to Pol Maj Gen Pisit. Regarding long-term reform measures for online media, the panel agreed that projects be put in place that are consistent with the 20-year national strategy plan. These projects include forging a code of ethics in the use and operation of online media and educating online media users to raise awareness of potentially dangerous content on websites. Also, legal measures will be enforced against owners of foreign-owned online outlets, such as YouTube and Facebook, which produce or spread illegal content, such as content about children or youths who are victims of abuse or violence. Kasit Piromya, an NRSA member, said one of the obstacles to regulating online content was servers not based locally since Thailand holds little negotiating power over tech giants such as Google. Cooperation from the private sector would be vital in pushing through tighter regulations, he said, adding he felt the report was missing crucial points needed to address problems associated with the use of social media. Another NRSA member, Gen Lertrat Rattanawanich, said the proposed requirement for fingerprint and facial recognition to be submitted for mobile phone registration could be a violation of human rights principles. He said existing phone registration, which requires only a citizenship ID card of the owner to be produced, was already sufficient. Gen Lertrat also said the proposed data centre would eat up a large chunk of the budget and there was no guarantee it would be worthwhile.
  4. Yeah, angsta, my daughter had a warehouse right at the khlong on Soi 81 back in 2011 .. the night market at the top of the soi was a great neighborhood amenity for a quick bite on the way home .. but, no more. Do the adult pleasure consultants still live in the area, and parade to the BTS in the early evenings?
  5. Interesting stuff, Swinga .. Nova Group. I had a developer analysis conducted on the Pattaya trade area some years ago, at which time I think I recall that the Nova Group had a track record of completing their projects .. none suspended .. but, unsure and I am too lazy to do the homework. Wonder what kind of deal Nova Group did to acquire this one, and what their rehabilitation plan will be. Keep in mind that the branded hotels circulating in the area are no guarantee that the economics work .. these guys are hotel operators only .. they are not investors .. they can craft an operating agreement for a dawg house in which they are without risk .. they understand the revenue side of an investment proforma fairly well, but not the cost side. As "investment analysts", hotel operators will get an investor close, but not to an order of reliability upon which a sophisticated, disciplined hospitality investor would invest their treasure. As in this case, brokers trying to sell condos will cite the glittering close-by hotel brands, misrepresenting a relationship that does not exist .. they are hotels .. not condos .. the economics of these two sectors are analyzed entirely differently.
  6. Sukhumvit Soi 81 has grown into a nice little neighborhood over the last 3-4 years .. nearby convenience shopping, and cafes .. Onnut BTS and Tesco-Lotus within 500 meters .. small, inexpensive units for rent at less than THB 10,000 .. attracting more and more young professional farang on modest budgets .. a number of working girls used to live there, as well (their parade to work began at about 5.00p at Onnut BTS). Also at the lower end of the price range, maybe on the ratty edge, is a very well-located apartment named Srijinda Mansion .. about 25 meters into Soi 22 from Sukhumvit. Great access to the BTS (Phrom Pong, 300m), and convenient to all the neighborhood amenities you will ever need (Emporium, Benjasiri Park, cinemas, shopping, street food, dining, etc.) .. I understand the rooms are Spartan, but inexpensive .. don't know how it is wired for Internet .. unserviced, but finding a cleaning lady would be easy enough. Lots of working girls keeping odd hours live there, which could be a distraction, possible annoyance .. Srijinda Mansion would definitely be a colorful addition to your travelogue.
  7. Hard to guess at what they are doing without knowing whether they are the same people, or new investors, and what they've done with the ownership of the asset and the ownership structure within which that asset is held. That they are asking owners to accept the construction delay (apparently to avoid penalties) is telling .. I'd be interested to hear what they say their recourse is if a buyer refuses to sign the concession letter .. if the delivery is so late and the penalties so high, the profit can be sufficiently reduced that the developer no longer has a profit motive, but is motivated only to avoid the threat of lawsuits (maybe not really a concern here, though). [ Hey, Blueydog .. what does your Sale & Purchase Agreement say about penalties for delayed delivery? ] Swinga, from whom did you hear that Hilton will manage the hotel?.. (the developer? .. brokers? .. sales office?) .. recruiting yet another credible name like Hilton behind which to conceal past failures would be a smart scheme to attempt .. or, maybe it is just a rumor with which the broker babble is fed, trying to get the pre-sales going again. If it is real, I wonder if Hilton's due diligence will be more thorough than Centara's, or Golden Tulip Resort's.
  8. The inspections tighten on places of prostitution .. Phuket, too. Army soldiers and Phuket police raid 16 massage parlors at Poonpol Night Plaza June 24, 2017 16:46 By Phuket Gazette PHUKET Following an order by Phuket Governor Norraphat Plodthong, a 'task force' of 100 police and soldiers raided 16 massage venues in and near Poonpol Night Plaza on Friday night. The raids were led by Capt Bhavorn Promkeawngam. The purpose of the operation was to suppress illicit behavior, including possession of drugs, working without a permit and human trafficking. Police say the massive effort uncovered five illegal migrant workers, all female, from three venues, as follows: – at the Violin Massage parlor: 1 Lao, 2 Hill Tribe girls from the north of Thailand (non-Thai) – at the Angel Massage parlor: 1 Cambodian – at the Euro Massage parlor: 1 Hill Tribe woman All were taken to a police station for questioning. "The personnel in every shop were urine-tested for drugs, with none found. Everyone was clean and no prostitution was found either,” Capt Bhavorn told the Phuket Gazette. A happy ending indeed.
  9. My apologies, Gnorman, but I missed the recent project history .. I was unaware construction resumed, but by a new developer. A couple of possibilities come to my mind: The old development company transfers the asset to a "new development company", which is really the old development company, just under a new name (all perfectly legitimate) .. this assumes the old development company somehow found the money to complete the project (perhaps pre-sales from the next project) .. the new development company completes the project, maybe cut costs everywhere they can (maybe reducing the scope of work), and sells the remaining units .. by continuing under another name, the old development company deflects any blowback from existing buyers for not completing the project as designed and on schedule (penalties for late delivery are common) .. more importantly, they conceal themselves from potential buyers who would be reluctant to buy into a project on which they failed; or, The old development company transfers the project to the general contractor .. if the contractor is financially strong enough, it takes developer risk (essentially market risk, at this point), completes the project with its own baht, and sells the remaining units to recover the old development company's unpaid bills; or, The old development company transfers the project outright to a genuinely new development company, at a discount .. the new development company negotiates a haircut (a discount) with the general contractor, completes the project, maybe cuts costs everywhere they can (maybe reduces the scope of work), and sells the remaining units; [ Of the above, the last is by far the most unlikely .. the first is the next most unlikely .. the second is the more likely scenario .. but .. who knows .. this is all speculation. ] Under all of the scenarios above, if the property is actually sold to a new development company, or into a new SPV (as in, the title deed changes names to a new owner, rather than the new development company merely accepts the shares in the old development company and assumes project ownership), the condo owners have very weak claims for their units from the new development company .. the court will rule that the obligation to the buyers is from the old development company (now empty), or the old SPV (presumably on "E") in which the project was held, .. not the new development company. [ The carting away of assets from a company, with no trailing obligations, is legal here (yeah, unbelieveable) .. The buyers could sue the old development company/SPV, and get a favorable court decision (for brevity, I skip describing a long process here .. probably can't do it adequately anyway) .. the court would direct the defendant to return the buyer's money, or the title to a complete condo per the contract within some period of time .. if the old development company/SPV did not deliver the money (which it doesn't have), or the title (which it also doesn't have) in that time frame, the plaintiff could file for an attachment order .. if the court approved the attachment order, the Legal Execution Department would go to the Land Department with the order and attach any assets owned by the old development company/SPV (good luck with that) .. not necessarily this condo, or even this project .. assuming there was anything to find, the Land Department would transfer any titles to the Legal Execution Department, they would auction the assets and turn the cash proceeds over to the plaintiff. [ The fallacy in this process is finding any assets to attach -- uhh, refer to today's front page news article on Yingluck Shinawatra's disappeared billions .. ] Gnorman, you ask whether the new development company can re-sell buyer's sold condos .. on this I am unsure, but I think so .. (except that selling a condo occupied under adverse possession might be difficult to explain to a buyer) .. in my friend's case above (Post ID #176), the landlord tried to resell his condo, and my buddy filed a fraud suit against her, which he won .. I'd have to think about how these two situations differ .. maybe someone with a Thai attorney can answer that. I think I got the big pieces, but that's all I got right now, men .. thinking this hard again always makes my head hurt.
  10. Kind of you to think so, rhodie .. but, no .. I am no help. Once anything is pulled into the Thai Vortex's massive gravity, it is done .. like a black hole, the more they devour the greater their intractable force .. I jokingly write that nothing survives their phenomenal crushing forces .. they pulverize molecular matter to smithereens .. subatomic detritus .. pre-sale condominiums, ATM accounts, farang hearts, farang 'nads! .. (eeeeyeow!). We were highly selective in the distressed assets and NPL's that we acquired during the 1997 Asian Currency Crisis and I was loaded with international-grade local legal counsel, on whom I spent a ton of money (worth every baht) .. we made measured, high-risk investments on which I mapped clear pathways (difficult and butt-puckering scary) to ownership, necessary to protect the principal and achieve our very high return expectations. Until the ownership is cleared, assets as these are simply black holes no one in their right minds will touch .. even if the ownership could be cleared, we are not the guys the unfortunate unsecured creditors would want to see .. recapitalizing projects as these and completing them almost always requires the secured creditors (banks, contractors, etc.) to accept a haircut on what they are owed, and wipes out the unsecured creditors (the condo buyers). [ Maybe the OP, who offered one of these for sale back on page 1 can update us on any offers. ] Inventorying similarly suspended projects around Pattaya would be reasonably indicative of what can be expected on this one. Only during due diligence, prior to buying, can buyers avoid being pulled into the Thai Vortex's orbit .. a death spiral .. (uahh .. shudder) .. once they are drawn in, they are pretty much done. This is pretty depressing stuff for some, I can well understand .. hopefully, though, threads as this are instructive to others .. a few of these stories should be printed on laminated cards and placed in airplane seat pockets on inbound flights, along with the emergency evacuation instructions.
  11. So, Blueydog, you have entered the bone crushing Thai Vortex .. the news is not good: Your developer is the notorious Tulip Group (NOT the same as the international Golden Tulip Resorts, which ostensibly operates the hotel); Chanote title deed transfers are now 1-1/2 years delinquent, and counting; Tulip Resorts is accepting no reservations at the onsite Golden Tulip Essential, which they ostensibly operate; You have taken occupancy. I have been around the property investment and development business in Thailand a good bit, and have seen this .. I hate to say it, Blueydog, but in this situation in Thailand you not only have no good cards .. mmmm, you actually have no cards. To be fair, there are some undercapitalized projects by incompetent developers that auger in .. but, a pattern of projects as this by the same players betrays something a bit more deliberate. First and foremost, your position .. under Thai law, you are an unsecured creditor .. that means that you have given money to someone with no way to claim direct recompense (a uniquely defined collateral), other than on paper from a Thai court (which would be a major accomplishment by itself) .. by the time a court renders a judgement, the project (not the developer) is "bankrupt" .. the developer pulls money out of the project upfront (through an assortment of spurious means), leaving an empty shell .. they also build bankruptcy remoteness into the ownership structure, where the project is placed into a special purpose vehicle (SPV) created to own just this asset alone, and the developer is a contracted manager to the SPV, and has no liability for the SPV itself .. your legal recourse will be to a bankrupt company (alongside a gazillion other claimants), not the developer. [ Incidentally, this ownership structuring is all legal under Thai law. ] In this way, buyers' money can be deployed by the developer in any way he chooses, and I mean .. any .. way .. at .. all .. cars, boats, wine, women, generous development management fees (to themselves), and a host of other fees (also, to themselves) .. and, enough on the project to launch it and generate pre-sales .. and even as seed money to start the next project. [ Watch for it .. with the passage of time, they often do it all again with an entirely new pipeline of unsuspecting buyers .. as they want to appear reputable, some cleverly conceal themselves (in the open) behind the good reputations of hotel management companies that innocently serve as their shills .. the reputable Centara Hotels and Golden Tulip Resorts are the latest to be victimized and suffer brand damage by association. ] Towards the end of a project as this, when bills are unpaid, the general contractor commonly takes ownership of the buyers' units .. sometimes lenders (generally not conventional banks) make high-risk loans to these guys in return for the chanote title deeds on the buyers units, at a very low loan-to-value ratio .. these guys are secured creditors .. meaning that the chanote title deed is transferred to them to hold as collateral until the debt is paid .. unit buyers' positions are subordinate to theirs .. waaaay subordinate .. actually, saying that unit buyers even have a position in the credit stack is probably overstating the reality. [ If you will check with the Land Department, I rather doubt the chanote title deed on your unit is held in the name of a conventional bank .. developers as these are unqualified for loans from conventional banks .. it is more likely in the name of the contractor, or Somchai's International Bank of Last Resort .. pretty hot money, playing a high-risk long game. ] What solace there is, is that once you take occupancy of a property in Thailand, landlords cannot blast you out, even with dynamite .. tenant rights here are very strong .. the right of adverse possession here stems from the long practice of squatter's rights, reaching back to days when a land's ownership was ill-defined by a seasonal stream boundary, and that big tree over there ("No, no, the other big one"), and the rise over there where Somchai's prize buffalo was struck by lightning back in '54. [ A friend in Bangkok is in the same interminable bind as you, but at a bit greater a loss .. a THB 45.0m condo .. exact same scenario as this .. exactly .. he cannot sell it, and he cannot own it .. but, he has occupied it for the last 4+ years .. repeated attempts by the creditor holding the chanote title deed (the contractor) to evict him have failed .. he does, however, have the resources to fend eviction off with a top tier attorney who uses the Thai legal system's defects to advantage .. the creditor cannot sell it, since buyers know how difficult eviction in Thailand is .. the Thai Vortex. ] It ain't good, Bueydog .. you can consult an attorney, but an honest attorney (ahhhh, hah-hah-hah-haaah! .. umm .. uh .. sorry) will probably advise you that what thin legal recourse you have by now might likely be back to an SPV company that is just smoke. [ You might want to have an attorney brief you on the details of adverse possession ("squatter's rights") so that you are not maneuvered out of the property by whatever tricks the creditor might know .. unlike you, they've probably been here before. ] The ghostly, tattering Waterfront Suites & Residences project towering over Pattaya should be a pattaya icon, screaming warnings to buyers of condos from developers as these .. unfortunately, there seems to be an endless stream of foreign newbies, unknowledgeable of Thai ways, who will believe everything they are told by the oh-so-friendly expert (and, honest!) sales agents, and who cannot see through the thin veneer beneath which these guys operate. Good luck to you, Blueydog .. we will all be interested to see if there is a breakthrough for you on this.
  13. Hey, mroovah .. I wouldn't want forum members to get the impression that the 8% net annual yield you achieve is by any means common, nor easily achieved without some inordinate competitive advantages .. I really rather side with Insomniac and Daryl on the yields. Your condo was completed in 2010 .. historical data indicates that asking prices for units there were then THB 55,000/m2, which would be THB 4.29m on your 78m2 unit. [ based on an income valuation approach, I valued this condo in post #33 above at THB 4.56m .. a 6% difference .. close enough ]. You can push your yields up a bit by: Self managing, to eliminate the property management fee .. equivalent to 5-8% charge against your gross annual income; Leasing it yourself, to eliminate 1 month agency fee paid for leasing commissions, equivalent to an 8% charge against gross annual income. Leasing it long-term at below market (which you are doing), to reduce vacancy losses (another 1BR unit in your building is asking THB 22,500 .. will probably negotiate a 10% discount to THB 20,250 .. you are at 18,000, which is 12% below that, which is attractive enough to maintain occupancy in a high vacancy market). Keeping it off the books .. to avoid taxes on anything above THB 150,000/year (not much there). You cannot avoid the annual common area maintenance fee, which in this building is probably THB 30-40/m2/month .. about 13-17% of gross annual revenues on a 78m2 unit (THB 28,000-37,000/year). So .. starting with a gross annual rental income of THB 216,000 (18,000/month x 12 months) and a property cost basis or THB 4.29-4.56m: The gross annual yield would be 4.7% to 5.0%; Deducting common area maintenance fees of 28,000-37,000/year .. the net annual income is THB 179,000-188,000, producing a net annual yield of 3.9% to 4.2%. This is squarely in the range of return expectations for the market, and what Insomniac and Daryle suggested above. The only way I can see to improve that is to have purchased the condo at a deeply distressed price .. to get an 8.0% net annual yield, the gross annual yield would have to be at about 9.2% .. to get that, assuming leasing at market clearing rates, the property cost basis would have to be about THB 2.4m, or THB 30,100/m2 .. nearly 45% below this condominium's historical market low asking price, and 55% below its historical market high asking price. Now, there might be truly inordinate competitive advantages not accounted for here, but this is a pretty basic exercise for anyone contemplating making lots and lots and lots of money investing in income producing residential property in Pattaya. Simple yield analyses are not higher order maths .. the calculations are very straight forward. [ mroovah, I am guessing this is not what you described above as "the right condo in the right building" to easily achieve that 8.0% net annual yield .. 'cause easy, it ain't! ] Potential investors would do well to understand this. Good luck on the rental, mroovah .. this does appear to me to be a very good deal for someone. Cheers!
  14. For those interested in understanding condominiums as investments in Pattaya, I see in this a couple of useful data points: The market value of income-producing properties in Thailand is set by return rates that are generally acceptable to Thai investors .. for Thais, a 5.0% annual yield is generally an acceptable return expectation. Take Pheat's example .. a THB 3.3m home, comparable to where he lives, for which he pays THB 12,000/month (presumably the same builder and floor plan): The annual rental income is calculated as [ 12,000/month x 12 months x 95% = 136,800/year ]; then, The annual yield is calculated as [ 136,800 / 3,300,000 = 4.2% annual yield ]. This is a bit below the market clearing rate (5.0%) for this type of income-producing property. Now, take mroovah's property: He owns a very nicely appointed condominium .. typical for an owner-occupied property .. probably over-improved for the rental market, but mroovah lived there as a home, not as an investment (an important distinction) .. if he cannot rent it at something more than THB 18,000/month, he is considering selling it. Instead of the THB 18,000/month rent to which he is prepared to discount, let's assume the market rent for his condominium is THB 20,000/month .. using the same math as above, this condominium is worth approximately THB 4.56m [ (20,000 x 12 x 95%) / .05 = 4,560,000 ] .. this is based on it's value as an income-producing property at a market clearing 5.0% annual yield, which is the predominant calculus for valuing a property here. On its 78 m2, THB 4.56m is roughly THB 58,000/m2 .. nicely fitted out, (presumably) fully furnished, and well-situated in a secondary location. So, mroovah .. I am curious about this, as a practical case study .. how long ago did you buy your condominium and will you get your money out of it if you sell it now? You might understandably not wish to comment, but this is a great case study for anyone (other than moronic babbling property agents) who think that investing in income-producing residential property in Pattaya is a great way to make lots, and lots, and lots of money. mroovah bought a home, not an investment .. my guess is that he will get his money back (or most of it .. perhaps not more than he invested), as long as he is not forced to sell into a depressed market .. but, as income-producing investments, these perform very poorly (both the cash flow and the asset appreciation). [ Footnote: The above calculus was kept simple, simple .. the returns auger-in horribly if you own a rental property that sits vacant for months and months to get leased; and, it assumes no property management fees, agency rental commissions, taxes, maintenance expenses, juristic fees, etc. .. this is a gross return from which these costs must be deducted. ] Hey, mroovah, hope you find a tenant for this unit .. it looks quite nice, but as I mentioned above, it might be over-improved as a rental property that will generate a fair return to you in this trade area .. that makes the field of prospective tenants quite small.
  15. Sadly, Thailand’s notoriously deadly highways reaped two more souls .. a father and son .. it just keeps going on, and on, and on .. Two Britons killed in Surat Thani crash 22 Apr 2017 SURAT THANI: A British man and his elderly father died and the man's mother was seriously hurt when their pickup truck crashed head-on with a trailer truck on a curve in Phanom district of this southern province on Friday night. The crash occurred at kilometre maker 16 on the Ban Takhun-Phanom Road in front of Phanom Uppatham Witthaya School in tambon Khlong Cha-oun, said Pol Capt Kanthapol Srisuksai, deputy investigation chief at the Phanom police station. The incident was reported at 8.30pm on Friday. Police and rescue workers found three injured British nationals -- two men and a woman -- trapped inside a Chevrolet pickup truck with a Phuket licence plate on the two-lane road. They were badly hurt and rushed to Surat Thani Hospital but the two men died shortly afterward. An overturned 18-wheel trailer truck carrying wood pellets, with a Nakhon Pathom licence plate, was found lying on its side about 10 metres away. Driver Parit Limpairoh, 23, was waiting for police at the scene, which was very dark. A police investigation found that the 44-year-old driver and his 82-year-old father were sitting in the front seat and the driver's 78-year-old mother was sitting in the cab. They were on the way to Phuket when their vehicle lost control at the curve, causing it to crash head-on with the trailer truck travelling in the opposite direction. Police believed the driver might have not been familiar with the route. They are continuing to investigate. Jintana Suwannarat, director of the Surat Thani office of the Tourism Authority of Thailand, said the Thai wife of the British driver had contacted authorities to take the bodies of the two victims for religious rites at Chalerm Prakiat in Nakhon Si Thammarat.