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[Aussie Wolf]

Need some advice.

Had my TGF in australia last year on a 3 month tourist visa. She went back home and we put in another application for a 6 month visa. She received that and is currently with me in oz and due to go back home in Nov.

I plan on going back with her and we plan on lodging a defacto visa then.

The defacto visa does not seem to be much more complicated to me than the tourist visa. Little more info required but not much more. I was able to do the 2 tourist visas and am quite confident i can complete the defacto visa as well.

She has been told by the aussie embassy when they gave her the 2nd tourist visa that they would not give her another tourist visa hence our need to apply for the defacto visa.

My questions are:
1.What is the 'normal' time frame for approval of defacto visas? Just had a mate get one in 4 months.
2.Am i right in saying not much different in info to a tourist visa?
3. Would i be right in saying after 2 tourist visas and abiding by both that the defacto visa should be pretty much standard to get approved?
4. Would it aid the application if i had a job guarantee from a 3rd party for my partner?

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

[huskycock]

Aussie Wolf, on 17 August 2011 - 03:48 AM, said:

Need some advice.

Had my TGF in australia last year on a 3 month tourist visa. She went back home and we put in another application for a 6 month visa. She received that and is currently with me in oz and due to go back home in Nov.

I plan on going back with her and we plan on lodging a defacto visa then.

The defacto visa does not seem to be much more complicated to me than the tourist visa. Little more info required but not much more. I was able to do the 2 tourist visas and am quite confident i can complete the defacto visa as well.

She has been told by the aussie embassy when they gave her the 2nd tourist visa that they would not give her another tourist visa hence our need to apply for the defacto visa.

My questions are:
1.What is the 'normal' time frame for approval of defacto visas? Just had a mate get one in 4 months.
2.Am i right in saying not much different in info to a tourist visa?
3. Would i be right in saying after 2 tourist visas and abiding by both that the defacto visa should be pretty much standard to get approved?
4. Would it aid the application if i had a job guarantee from a 3rd party for my partner?

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

hi aussie , i have just married my wife ( sounds pretty stupid to write it that way ) and we went through the initial tourist , then prospective marriage , we have just lodged to spouse visa and will soon apply to change the bridging visa so we can go to thailand for chrissy .. my understanding of the defacto ( and why i never bothered with it ) is that you have to demonstrate that you have been living together for 2 years , which is pretty hard if there have been a few trips to thailand and a few tourist visas to australia as hard eveidence that you havent been living together .. how do you get around this ?

[Aussie Wolf]

madjace, on 17 August 2011 - 04:16 AM, said:

hi aussie , i have just married my wife ( sounds pretty stupid to write it that way ) and we went through the initial tourist , then prospective marriage , we have just lodged to spouse visa and will soon apply to change the bridging visa so we can go to thailand for chrissy .. my understanding of the defacto ( and why i never bothered with it ) is that you have to demonstrate that you have been living together for 2 years , which is pretty hard if there have been a few trips to thailand and a few tourist visas to australia as hard eveidence that you havent been living together .. how do you get around this ?

Must show the relationship has been ongoing for at least 12months not 2 years. You dont necessarily have to be living together during that time but be able to prove you have been in an exclusive relationship. This can include proof of emails, phone calls, money sent.

Its part of the reason we got the 6 month visa for the second one as we argued that having been together in thailand on/off for 3 months, then together in oz on a 3 month tourist visa, the 6 month tourist visa would push us over the 12 month min requirement period and show our commitment.

Seemed to work and the 6 month visa was granted.

[huskycock]

Aussie Wolf, on 17 August 2011 - 04:35 AM, said:

Must show the relationship has been ongoing for at least 12months not 2 years. You dont necessarily have to be living together during that time but be able to prove you have been in an exclusive relationship. This can include proof of emails, phone calls, money sent.

Its part of the reason we got the 6 month visa for the second one as we argued that having been together in thailand on/off for 3 months, then together in oz on a 3 month tourist visa, the 6 month tourist visa would push us over the 12 month min requirement period and show our commitment.

Seemed to work and the 6 month visa was granted.

cool

[Aussie Wolf]

madjace, on 17 August 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

cool

Will be fucken cool if the defacto one is granted.

[huskycock]

Aussie Wolf, on 17 August 2011 - 04:53 AM, said:

Will be fucken cool if the defacto one is granted.

good luck with it ..

[Scumbag]

Aussie Wolf, on 17 August 2011 - 03:48 AM, said:

Need some advice.

Had my TGF in australia last year on a 3 month tourist visa. She went back home and we put in another application for a 6 month visa. She received that and is currently with me in oz and due to go back home in Nov.

I plan on going back with her and we plan on lodging a defacto visa then.

The defacto visa does not seem to be much more complicated to me than the tourist visa. Little more info required but not much more. I was able to do the 2 tourist visas and am quite confident i can complete the defacto visa as well.

She has been told by the aussie embassy when they gave her the 2nd tourist visa that they would not give her another tourist visa hence our need to apply for the defacto visa.

My questions are:
1.What is the 'normal' time frame for approval of defacto visas? Just had a mate get one in 4 months.
2.Am i right in saying not much different in info to a tourist visa?
3. Would i be right in saying after 2 tourist visas and abiding by both that the defacto visa should be pretty much standard to get approved?
4. Would it aid the application if i had a job guarantee from a 3rd party for my partner?

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Here is some information of the relationship requirements fot the defacto visa: Fact Sheet 35 – One-Year Relationship Requirement

[Aussie Wolf]

Scumbag, on 18 August 2011 - 01:32 AM, said:

Here is some information of the relationship requirements fot the defacto visa: Fact Sheet 35 – One-Year Relationship Requirement

cheers scumbag have that sheet and think i pretty much have all bases covered.

Tried to open the links in your thread but keep getting error. What's the go?

http://www.pattaya-a...ations-for-tgs/

[Scumbag]

Aussie Wolf, on 18 August 2011 - 01:45 AM, said:

cheers scumbag have that sheet and think i pretty much have all bases covered.

Tried to open the links in your thread but keep getting error. What's the go?

http://www.pattaya-a...ations-for-tgs/

lol..I am surprised nobody has highlighted that before. A forum update a long tiem ago changed the page names but didn't update links to them. I will have to get someone to edit the links.

[Aussie Wolf]

Scumbag, on 18 August 2011 - 01:54 AM, said:

lol..I am surprised nobody has highlighted that before. A forum update a long tiem ago changed the page names but didn't update links to them. I will have to get someone to edit the links.

lol that should just about entitle me to advanced status now.

That's my service to the community.lol

[superconsult]

Aussie Wolf, on 17 August 2011 - 03:48 AM, said:

Need some advice.

Had my TGF in australia last year on a 3 month tourist visa. She went back home and we put in another application for a 6 month visa. She received that and is currently with me in oz and due to go back home in Nov.

I plan on going back with her and we plan on lodging a defacto visa then.

The defacto visa does not seem to be much more complicated to me than the tourist visa. Little more info required but not much more. I was able to do the 2 tourist visas and am quite confident i can complete the defacto visa as well.

She has been told by the aussie embassy when they gave her the 2nd tourist visa that they would not give her another tourist visa hence our need to apply for the defacto visa.

My questions are:
1.What is the 'normal' time frame for approval of defacto visas? Just had a mate get one in 4 months.
2.Am i right in saying not much different in info to a tourist visa?
3. Would i be right in saying after 2 tourist visas and abiding by both that the defacto visa should be pretty much standard to get approved?
4. Would it aid the application if i had a job guarantee from a 3rd party for my partner?

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

I have more than 7 years in this field and hope this reply can help you a bit.

1.  Normally, a settlement visa (prospective marriage/defacto spouse/spouse visa)can be obtained between 3-6 months if the Embassy is satisifed with all the supporting documents.

2.  I would say it's much different in providing information to the Embassy between a tourist visa and a settlement visa application.  In the former case, you are required to prove the existence and subsistence of the relationship between the parties and your fiancial ability to pay for that trip.  So, if you have just met the TGF for about 3 months in Thailand and you have say A$3,000 in your bank account, you can still a tourist visa for her if the Embassy accepts your supporting documents and doesn't challenge anything about your TGF.  In the latter case, you are also required to prove the determination of both parties to live perminently in Australia as husband and wife. Therefore, the existence of relationship of 3 months and small amount of savings in Bank may not be sufficient for a settlement visa.

3.  Normally yes.  But you have to make sure that sufficient evidence will be produced to prove all these requirements.

4.  Sorry !  I don't understand what you mean by "job guarantee".  What you need to prove is the stability of your job (long service helps) and the remuneration you get which has to be well sufficient for 2 persons' living expenses.  

I am sure you have sufficient experience to get the defacto visa for your TGF and you just need to follow all the steps.  Good luck to both of you !

Edited by superconsult, 18 August 2011 - 03:33 AM.

[Aussie Wolf]

superconsult, on 18 August 2011 - 03:32 AM, said:

I have more than 7 years in this field and hope this reply can help you a bit.

1.  Normally, a settlement visa (prospective marriage/defacto spouse/spouse visa)can be obtained between 3-6 months if the Embassy is satisifed with all the supporting documents.

2.  I would say it's much different in providing information to the Embassy between a tourist visa and a settlement visa application.  In the former case, you are required to prove the existence and subsistence of the relationship between the parties and your fiancial ability to pay for that trip.  So, if you have just met the TGF for about 3 months in Thailand and you have say A$3,000 in your bank account, you can still a tourist visa for her if the Embassy accepts your supporting documents and doesn't challenge anything about your TGF.  In the latter case, you are also required to prove the determination of both parties to live perminently in Australia as husband and wife. Therefore, the existence of relationship of 3 months and small amount of savings in Bank may not be sufficient for a settlement visa.

3.  Normally yes.  But you have to make sure that sufficient evidence will be produced to prove all these requirements.

4.  Sorry !  I don't understand what you mean by "job guarantee".  What you need to prove is the stability of your job (long service helps) and the remuneration you get which has to be well sufficient for 2 persons' living expenses.  

I am sure you have sufficient experience to get the defacto visa for your TGF and you just need to follow all the steps.  Good luck to both of you !

Cheers for the reply.

Just on the job guarantee point, a mate of mine in sydney has a logistics company where he employs girls to basically pack/unpack products in the warehouse. he has met my TGF numerous times and has volunteered to guarantee her a job and support her visa application if we so require. She would be getting paid legally approx $700-$800/week. On top of that i have property and can show a good income.

i was thinking this would surely aid the application rather than being a negative as it would negate the possibility of needing any sort of govt welfare or am i missing something?

[huskycock]

Aussie Wolf, on 18 August 2011 - 03:44 AM, said:

Cheers for the reply.

Just on the job guarantee point, a mate of mine in sydney has a logistics company where he employs girls to basically pack/unpack products in the warehouse. he has met my TGF numerous times and has volunteered to guarantee her a job and support her visa application if we so require. She would be getting paid legally approx $700-$800/week. On top of that i have property and can show a good income.

i was thinking this would surely aid the application rather than being a negative as it would negate the possibility of needing any sort of govt welfare or am i missing something?

hi Aussie , i think if you start going down the road of employment sponsoship , its a completley different visa , and it would be your mate that applies for the visa .. also no need to worry about unemployement payments , its 2 years before you can get any ..although i am told we will get a mdeicare card at some stage and 5 hrs free english classes

[superconsult]

Aussie Wolf, on 18 August 2011 - 03:44 AM, said:

Cheers for the reply.

Just on the job guarantee point, a mate of mine in sydney has a logistics company where he employs girls to basically pack/unpack products in the warehouse. he has met my TGF numerous times and has volunteered to guarantee her a job and support her visa application if we so require. She would be getting paid legally approx $700-$800/week. On top of that i have property and can show a good income.

i was thinking this would surely aid the application rather than being a negative as it would negate the possibility of needing any sort of govt welfare or am i missing something?

Now I understand you are talking about job guarantee for your TGF.  Of course, that will help her (in settlement visa cases) because it will help you to prove the case that it's not likely that both of you require to apply for any social security from your Government.  

Also, you have property and good income. I can see you have a strong case already.  Just keep on working hard for it !

[Aussie Wolf]

madjace, on 18 August 2011 - 04:12 AM, said:

hi Aussie , i think if you start going down the road of employment sponsoship , its a completley different visa , and it would be your mate that applies for the visa .. also no need to worry about unemployement payments , its 2 years before you can get any ..although i am told we will get a mdeicare card at some stage and 5 hrs free english classes

Its not really employment sponsorship as such rather a supporting reference and further indicator as to the genuine nature of the application.

You will find that it's something like 1500 hours free english language lessons for free.Factoring in the cost of the visa of 2k, thats a pretty good deal from the oz govt IMO.

Have a mate who has just got the visa for his TGF and she's at school every day for 6 months IIRC.

Think she may already have a medicare card as well as part of the visa. Will find out exactly for you on the weekend when i catch up with him.

[huskycock]

Aussie Wolf, on 18 August 2011 - 05:36 AM, said:

Its not really employment sponsorship as such rather a supporting reference and further indicator as to the genuine nature of the application.

You will find that it's something like 1500 hours free english language lessons for free.Factoring in the cost of the visa of 2k, thats a pretty good deal from the oz govt IMO.

Have a mate who has just got the visa for his TGF and she's at school every day for 6 months IIRC.

Think she may already have a medicare card as well as part of the visa. Will find out exactly for you on the weekend when i catch up with him.

thanks aussie , the visa ended up costing a lot more than 2 k , if i factor in everything into the total , plus i use a visa agent and you also pay again for the spouse visa ( which i have just paid ) and the price went up in july , only $100 for me , but i think its $400 if you skip the fiance visa stage ..

do you know when the medicare card is issued ? is it afther the spouse visa is granted , coz that might be 6 months

[Aussie Wolf]

madjace, on 18 August 2011 - 05:41 AM, said:

thanks aussie , the visa ended up costing a lot more than 2 k , if i factor in everything into the total , plus i use a visa agent and you also pay again for the spouse visa ( which i have just paid ) and the price went up in july , only $100 for me , but i think its $400 if you skip the fiance visa stage ..

do you know when the medicare card is issued ? is it afther the spouse visa is granted , coz that might be 6 months

OK i just wanted to make clear the visa my mate got for his TGF was the spouse visa which is also the one i'm going for.

Just spoke to him on the phone and his TGF basically got here medicare card as soon as she landed. Went into medicare office, got issued a temp one and then the proper one came in the mail a few days later.

As for the english lessons, she receives 500 hours of free english lessons. Apparently they also take them out to different cultural places of interest like museums, etc. He just told me that after she completes the 500 hours, she has just been told she can have another 200 hours of lessons in relation to retail/business.

he completed her visa app himself and had no dramas. IMHO if the relationship is genuine and you have half a brain, its not too hard to complete yourself.

[huskycock]

Aussie Wolf, on 18 August 2011 - 06:26 AM, said:

OK i just wanted to make clear the visa my mate got for his TGF was the spouse visa which is also the one i'm going for.

Just spoke to him on the phone and his TGF basically got here medicare card as soon as she landed. Went into medicare office, got issued a temp one and then the proper one came in the mail a few days later.

As for the english lessons, she receives 500 hours of free english lessons. Apparently they also take them out to different cultural places of interest like museums, etc. He just told me that after she completes the 500 hours, she has just been told she can have another 200 hours of lessons in relation to retail/business.

he completed her visa app himself and had no dramas. IMHO if the relationship is genuine and you have half a brain, its not too hard to complete yourself.

you wouldnt believe it , just got a letter from the agent with the apropriate letters attached saying the partner visa application has been received , bridging visa A been granted and can apply for medicare card .. didnt say anything about the free english lessons though , i guess that comes after the visa is granted ?

[Aussie Wolf]

madjace, on 18 August 2011 - 06:34 AM, said:

you wouldnt believe it , just got a letter from the agent with the apropriate letters attached saying the partner visa application has been received , bridging visa A been granted and can apply for medicare card .. didnt say anything about the free english lessons though , i guess that comes after the visa is granted ?

Well done and congrats you must be over the moon.

I'm just a little confused. Is your partner in oz already and did you already have the defacto visa and this is now basically the permanent one?

[huskycock]

No she came on prospective marriage visa. There might be too many different people posting on the thread and it's getting confusing. Sorry bout that.  So this visa is the spuse visa

[Aussie Wolf]

madjace, on 18 August 2011 - 07:40 AM, said:

No she came on prospective marriage visa. There might be too many different people posting on the thread and it's getting confusing. Sorry bout that.  So this visa is the spuse visa

Cool.

You should check out if she is eligible for the free english lessons as i would imagine she would.

Good luck with it all.

[Goanna]

In our town, the free english lessons are provided by the TAFE college. 500 hrs. Mornings two days and two nights per week. Check your TAFE website.